phew, finally knallgrau has removed the unjustified reference to fm4.orf.at from their portfolio. weak apology...

phew, finally knallgrau has removed the unjustified reference to fm4.orf.at from their portfolio. weak apology accepted!

still, though, it's necessary to adjust the self-centered view of that boboësque company. and gladly, stefanl picks up the thread and knallgrau's omissions in his comment, there below.*

* picky as i am, i'd like to add that i might have been a nofrontieran but probably wasn't nonprogrammer at the time the first orf online templates were created – at least as long as you count scripting lingo as writing code...

stefanl, 2005.12.27, 23:14

sbb's got a twoday.net logo on it, too. and, tobi, i'm sorry to have been imprecise. i remember that you could program then and robert could program too but i (maybe falsely) remember later times when both of you indepently claimed to be "not a (professional) programmer" although i knew both of you could do it very well. i meant only that.

kris, 2005.12.27, 23:25

just looked at the code. it's essentially a mirror of sobli.twoday.net.

funny thing is, there was no twoday button or any other reference when i checked them out first. so i assumed it is antville. my fault.

katatonik, 2005.12.28, 12:48

trusted sources tell me the sobli weblogs are hosted by twoday.net. by the way, the sonntagsblick-blog doesn't claim to be antville. rather, they *thank* the antville and helma developers. ("...
Nicht zuletzt gebührt den Entwicklern der Open-Source-Weblogsoftware Antville und des darunterliegenden Frameworks Helma unser tief empfundener Dank.") that makes a difference.

p3k, 2005.12.28, 12:55

slauti, of course i was aware of that – and in fact still do not consider myself a professional programmer.

programming was simply the next logical step of someone who wanted to "do it" himself. not being dependent on the egos of the pros and free from their self-imposed ideologies, but certainly with limited abilities of abstraction, reflection and l33t speak.

i always considered this as an advantage. nevertheless, i still can feel the far side of it. keep tweakin'.